No Evidence of Foul Play in Casey Johnson Death

from: popeater.com
January 5, 2010

Johnson & Johnson heiress Casey Johnson was pronounced dead Monday morning at the age of 30. Early reports suggest that Johnson, who was said to be engaged to reality star Tila Tequila, died of natural causes.

LAPD spokesperson Sara Faden tells Usmagazine.com, "At this point ... there was no evidence of foul play. The coroner's office will now take over the investigation and conduct their toxicology screenings."

"The Johnson family is mourning its tragic loss, and asks for privacy during this very difficult time," said a rep for the Johnson family. Casey is survived by family members including her father, New York Jets owner Woody Johnson, and a three-year-old daughter, Ava. Johnson adopted the little girl in Kazakhstan in 2007 and was in a protracted battle with her mother, Sale Johnson, for custody of her.

Johnson had battled publicly with substance abuse for years and Tequila reportedly believes she may have died from a prescription drug overdose. She was also a diabetic and, according to TMZ, had been hospitalized at least once in the past year after falling into a diabetic coma.

She also had several run-ins with ex-girlfriends. In November, Johnson was arrested for grand theft after she allegedly stole a handful of items -- including lingerie, jewelry and electronics -- from a former flame. In January 2009, she got into a heated argument with Yahoo socialite Courtenay Semel. Shockingly, a Page Six source alleged Semel lit Johnson's hair on fire. Semel, who has also dated Tequila, later denied the hair-torching reports.

Friends of the heiress have also commented on her untimely death. Paris Hilton posted on Twitter Monday night: "I feel so sad right now, my heart is in pain. Just lost a longtime friend. My heart goes out to her family. R.I.P. Casey Johnson Love you ... In bed crying, looking at baby pictures of Casey, Nicky and I. I feel so upset. I feel like I've lost a sister. My heart is broken. Miss her."

Tequila confirmed the news of Johnson's death earlier in the evening with a post on Twitter, saying "R.I.P. my Angel ... we will Marry when I see U in Heaven."

PopEater's Rob Shuter, who knew Johnson, says he last saw her eight months ago, and that "she was a lost little girl who just wanted to be loved. Unlike Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie, who have found happiness, Casey always seemed a troubled soul."

Shuter says that Johnson "had a difficult relationship with her family's huge wealth -- loving the life it gave her but making everything she did feel worthless. She had the 'why bother' attitude. Nothing she ever did could live up to what her family had done. She once described her family money as the 'golden handcuffs,' which made me really sad. She was the ultimate little lost rich girl."

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troubled souls

Casey always seemed a troubled soul

For crying out loud!! Who allows troubled souls to adopt?

Think about it...

Doesn't it make perfect cents sense to suggest international adoption to the sort of person who not only feels worthless,  but is the ultimate little lost rich girl, too?

Foreign countries must really love America's uber wealthy and depressed!

 

It's SO difficult to come from privilege and still be miserable

Poor little rich girl, who can only find a sense of self in taking others children as playtoys.

Never glad to see people dead from depression and despair but unless the selfless aparent story is just a ruse to drum up some sympathy, which may be unnecessary anyway, oh my heart really bleeds for her. /sarcasm

Lol OTOH...

What breeder parents AREN'T troubled souls??

Aparents don't have the monopoly on being troubled-soul parents...plenty of breeder parents kill, maim, verbally, physically, sexually abuse their children.

In many cases -- and this is purely anecdotal, no stats on it -- people just think of children as part of the wealth, or show-off/one-up devices, or someone smaller than them to bully around and impose their own depraved hangups onto.

Parents can seriously suck.

What hypocrites. If these

What hypocrites. If these people gave the children's REAL parents the same sympathy and understanding as they try to give "adoptions gone wrong" AP's CPS would go out of business.

I guess logic is just not for everyone. But if people used logic there would be no CPS and these upper-class people couldn't pretend to be heroes while flipping a buck selling other peoples children. And their would be no money to made off the backs of abused and stolen children.

(((shakes his head in confusion....)))

Fame and Money buy you anything, including a child!

((As I shake my head in confusion also)) I think of the thousands of good loving people who wanted to adopt out of pure love for a child but were treated miserably by Adoption Agencies.
Some who dared to complain were labeled "unstable" by agencies and when a bonafide nutcase with money shows up to adopt---the water parts for them. Sad very Sad.
Myself, I was subject to many medical (I was poked and blood tested for everything, background checks and finally I suggested a "psych evaluation" as well as letters of reference from everyone (excluding my teacher from kindergarten).
Then we hear how Casey, the JnJ heiress, who has battled diabetes, depression, mental illness, drugs, lesbianism, etc., adopts a baby with little or no trouble? I don't get it~ and probably never will.
It is stories like this that take the credibility away from Adoption Agencies. I am sure they charged Casey more money to be qued up in line.
I guess money and fame apparently buy you anything up to and including a child! But it never bought Casey the happiness she sought.
Lucky little girl Ava, she is now the new heiress to the JnJ fortune. Not bad, from orphanage to heiress!

LOL "depression, mental illness, drugs, lesbianism, etc"...

Then we hear how Casey, the JnJ heiress, who has battled diabetes, depression, mental illness, drugs, lesbianism, etc., adopts a baby with little or no trouble? I don't get it~ and probably never will.

Why should "lesbianism" be considered something to be battling when trying to adopt?

(I know, it's a rhetorical question -- answer being, white heterosexuals are by default more desirable, competent, superior parents according to.... um, not sure, and please don't ask Masha Allen that question but whatever)

"Battling lesbianism" lol -- how or why does one "battle lesbianism"? What, she sparred with Ellen in backstage fencing duels for years until proving herself a viable PAP candidate along with her heterosexual peers (who were under no such obligation to prove themselves worthy, regardless of how much $$ they did or didn't have?)

Hahahaha, please.

How absurd.

Battling Lesbianism

I mentioned it in my post, as doing research on Casey in the last year she has struggled with different relationships. After multiple partners and as one article calls "experimenting" with Lesbianism she had many difficulties with trying to find someone to love her.
Casey also was charged with breaking in the home of one of her lovers and destroying her home. Ms. Johnson has also had verbal as well as physicial fights (Meow) in public with her girlfriends.
Lesbianism isn't something that I personally feel should keep someone from adopting. However, dealing and struggling with the effects of such relationships and the behaviors that become abusive are (you must admitt) rather suspect. Any abusive relationships are not good for a child to be involved in. This behavior coupled with the alcohol/drug abuse on top of the fact Ms. Johnson was a diabetic (no doubt not controling it) she had reports of diabetic comas-which I am sure attribute to her depression and behavior.
Sale Johnson, the mother of Casey finally got custody of little Ava-Monroe (Casey named the little girl after her favorite movie stars-UGH!)
In the end, it wasn't her sexual confusion or preference that got Ava-Monroe taken away from her, it was the filthy conditions the child was living in.
In the beginning, it wasn't Casey's outstanding personality or balanced behavior that purchased/adopted the baby---------it was her money.

Looking for love in all the wrong places

she had many difficulties with trying to find someone to love her.

This statement introduces a topic not many are willing to explore.  Far too often I got the impression my Amother didn't feel loved by anybody, but her dead grandmother.  She was constantly complaining how she felt excluded by family members, and that attitude of hers definitely made relationships with her very difficult.

Now, in my Amother's case, I do believe had she been able to get pregnant a second time, she would have gotten herself pregnant ASAP, just so she could feel what it's like to be loved and adored (again) by somebody.... but as fate/God/dumb luck would have it, biologically, she was unable to conceive or bear anymore children.   People who adopt do so for a variety of reasons.  Not being able to have children of your own, is one of those reasons.  My Amother had the husband, had the house, had the money... she even had the toddler in need of a sibling.  All she needed to do was find the connections, and presto-chango, a baby-girl in her life could change everything!

Yeeep.... I was an answer to someone's prayer.  Lucky me! <dripping with sarcasm>

Bottom line.... based on my own personal experience... people looking for love and parental approval should work on themselves... get their own minds straight and untwisted... before entering a relationship, especially if that relationship involves a child.

Having children to feel "loved"

People need to drop this idea that having children to show off to the public makes one a loveable person worthy of adoration, and just get a cat.

After all, that's the way a lot of them treat us like pets, anyway. Often quite worse.

In the beginning, it wasn't

In the beginning, it wasn't Casey's outstanding personality or balanced behavior that purchased/adopted the baby---------it was her money.

Then why include "battling lesbianism" in the laundry list of what in your opinion made her an unfit parent. If your major issue is the child-purchasing angle, the most legitimate criticism of heiress/celebrity adoption, then why not just stick with that??

"Experimenting with lesbianism"/so-called "sexual confusion" is one of the oldest clichés in the book, directly related to "it's a phase" and "all you need is a good porking by a man".

Ask anybody who has been the recipient of male pedophilia, "lesbians" are much more stable in their identites than pervert men who foster, adopt, or step-parent yet mess around with little boys and girls for pleasure.

If she also had disability stuff going on like diabetes (which when controlled has nothing to do with well-being of adopted children), do you think those same standards are really applied to heterosexual adoptive parents? They certainly weren't in my own case, where my amother was diagnosed with an incurable disease during their adoption so-called "process".

But the fact remains: there is a major taboo against out gays and child-raising in general, much less the mess that is our adoption system.

A "lesbian" without the big bucks is still subject to unequal scrutiny than heterosexual APAs, because this country is still packed to the gills with homophobic people.

And it goes without saying, the Christian agencies (and fascist judges like Cheryl Allen) are by far the worst offenders.

physicial fights (Meow)

Gay-bait.

I am the OP again...

Lesbianism is not a reason to be ruled "unfit" to adopt.
But Casey (and other Bisexuals, Homosexuals and Hetrosexuals) that wrestle and struggle with their sexuality is a problem. Especially those that act out in ways that could be harmful to the wellbeing of the child.
I hope I have made it clear?
Casey was experimenting with many different things in her life, unfortunately her sexuality and being a mom were two things that "experimenting" with can cause some hardships and heartache for someone.
Bottom line;
Experimenting in Lesbianism or not.........Casey Johnson at the age of 27 with all of her past struggles should not have been allowed to adopt.

No need to single out the gays...most crappy aparents are hetero

But Casey (and other Bisexuals, Homosexuals and Hetrosexuals) that wrestle and struggle with their sexuality is a problem.

Lol what "heterosexuals" do you know have been ever labeled as "struggling with their sexuality"? LOL!

That phraseology is reserved SOLELY for non-heterosexuals, and has a history every bit as convoluted as adoption itself. People can still get fired, evicted, denied visitation rights, outright murdered solely for their sexuality or perceived sexuality -- as well as all manner of things that heterosexuals take for granted.

Especially those that act out in ways that could be harmful to the wellbeing of the child.
I hope I have made it clear? Casey was experimenting with many different things in her life, unfortunately her sexuality and being a mom were two things that "experimenting" with can cause some hardships and heartache for someone.

Experimenting in Lesbianism or not.........Casey Johnson at the age of 27 with all of her past struggles should not have been allowed to adopt.

You're right about that, but so neither should a lot of people, vast majority of whom are experimenting with heterosexuality. Parenting is one big "experiment" for countless APs -- in fact, stats on that would be interesting.

The existence of PPL is a testimony to that. FWICT, it's packed to the hilt with unfit heterosexual parents, adoption "processes", crooked adoption lawyers, agencies, and the states that lie about or origins gone awry.

But TMK no one ever connects these monster's "heterosexuality" to the horrors of adoption gone awry (and no one ever should; it's a non-sequitur.) That is the point I'm making. Better a parent so-called "experimenting" with homosexuality, whatever that's supposed to mean, than a parent "experimenting" with his love for raping little girls.

Casey just happened to make the news, so I guess she's an easy target right now.

Hey, I am not arguing with you here...

I think we are on the same side, that which is best for the "child"
I never said Heteros were not screwed up, as far as parenting there are more heteros that are parents --so naturally more will have a whole bag of issues (as we all do)
Yes, most pedophiles are Heterosexual...
Not everyone is perfect or suited for parenting just because they are Heterosexual. Some have deep seated issues with drugs and past issues of abuse themselves.
I don't think anyone is arguing that Casey was not and should not have been granted the right to adopt with her struggles with addiction, mental health and yes her "sexuality" which is part of her mental health and how she views herself.
I am all for opening up adoption to anyone that can and has demonstrated a healthy lifestyle for the upbringing of a child which is a big responsbility.
Many gay couples have stepped forward and adopted the very hard to place children from the US Foster care system.
Have any of you seen the documentary that Rosie O'Donnell did? It was a cruise to the Bahamas with all Foster children and their parents, the majority were Gay parents.
I have never seen more loving and caring people in my life. The kids spoke about their parents. One girl a biracial (beautiful) black and white was speaking of her "two" dads, they were nearby videoing her and crying with tears down their cheeks with joy, pride and love for her.
When the struggles with all these conflicts becomes too much, the person(s) should never be allowed to adopt just because they can pay more money to shut the adoption agency and social workers up.

"Sexuality", mental health, double standards

Again, heterosexual people's "sexuality" is never an issue when taking mental health of PAPs into account.

Never. The two are NEVER connected since heterosexuality by default is supposedly the superior mental state (if sexuality can even be said to be part of some kind of mental state, a notion which the APA discarded a generation ago.)

That is the only point I am making -- she had plenty of problems, including the cash to buy a person which I agree is the plain-as-day issue here. So there is no reason to single out or even mention her lesbianism or whatever as a factor in mental health.

Heterosexuality among adoptive parents is *never* treated that way.

"sexuality" and mental health double standards.........

I don't think anyone would disagree with you! Am a firm believer that many heteros have some sexual "hang-ups"
LCSW that evaluate a PAP(s) should not romance the idea that because someone is hetero that they are good to go for adoption.

My biggest fear with the slowing down of international adoptions is more people that are not prepared to give a loving home will be slipped through pass the radar!

Loving homes

My biggest fear with the slowing down of international adoptions is more people that are not prepared to give a loving home will be slipped through pass the radar!

Yes and like you say, those who have the cash, that's the main "qualification".

The whole system reeks.

Sexual preference

heterosexual people's "sexuality" is never an issue when taking mental health of PAPs into account.

Indeed.... think about how many married - or have been married - "heterosexual" individuals have sexually exploited children put in their care!  [Note to readers:  the number of collected cases does not suggest those are the only sexual exploitation cases that actually exist.]

a good many gay parents pay people to have babies

a good many pay people to carry a child for them; also was some suspect that Rosie herself had done this with her first few adoptions...

there is also great concern that people who are gay and have money just contribute to the baby mills (the product of the baby is produced or collected just to be sold to the gay couple.)

 

Gays and Surrogacy-sometimes the only alternative

While it might be disturbing to some, there are Gays with a ton of money and fame - they long to have a child and be a parent. The fact their sexuality is in question keeps them from fulfilling their dreams of becoming a parent. Very few states or agencies will allow this. right off I believe there is an agency in NJ that worked with Rosie O'Donnell on 1 of her adoptions and works with many others.
Is it fair to the gay person or couple that is very emotionally balanced and can give a loving home to a child that they are scrutinized so closely - whilest someone like Casey Johnson with a bag full of issues is allowed this because of her money and at the time declared she was a hetero?
this forces many gays to lie about their sexuality which is why many just avoid this hassle and go the private open surrogacy route.
As expensive as it is, I guess it is worth it to them-Clay Aiken, Ricky Martin (Twins) Melissa Etherridge and of course the late great Michael Jackson are just a few.
I have no doubt that these wealthy entertainers love their children with all of their heart.
There are many hetero famous couples that are recently doing this Sarah-Jessica Parker/Matthew Broderick.
While it is creating more children -added on to the existing orphans, sometimes it is their only alternative based on the prejudices some of the gays will recieve.
Lastly, with all the Christian based Adoption Services and Foundations that are popping up.........these religious zealots will fight gay adoption any way they can--as they fought prop 8 in California. (most of the opposition funds came from the Mormon Church out of Utah--lets not talk hypocrites with multiple wives and children) Honestly the zealots believe they are protecting children from gays in adoption.

Everybody's Children Foundation

Started by a same-sex couple who has adopted 5 children (sibling group) from foster - care.
These gentleman are very much in love and love their family that no one else wanted.
http://www.everybodyschildrenfoundation.org/index/Welcome

Michael Jackson?

Michael Jackson non-sequitur aside, the myth of the Rich Gays is just that -- a bogus fantasy. Gays are not "rich", especially female same-sex couples who, as we know, because they are women earn 70/100 of what white males of any sexuality make.

Let us not confuse the handful "rich gays" and celebrity gay adoptors who are rich because they are celebrities, not because they are "gay". I can count on one hand the "out" gay people in the entertainment industry -- there are historical reasons why so many people are still in the closet, even though "Hollywood" is supposedly so open and liberal. So let's drop this somewhat sky-is-falling notion that "gays" because they are "rich" somehow inflate the market for children for sale.

this forces many gays to lie about their sexuality

I cut this sentence off right here because forcing Teh Gaye to lie about our sexuality is the NORM across the country (forget the world), in adoption or employment, or housing, or dealing with hospice/skilled nursing personnel caring for adoptive parents, or simply trying to live one's life. There's a name for it: "institutionalized homophobia".

Institutionalized homo-hatred does nothing to "help the children" that these agencies and care cartels claim to do; and they are downright detrimental to those of us who are adopted/fostered by rabid homophobe heterosexuals who think it their place to beat the shit or is it beat the gay out of us with their Schofield Bibles.

Honestly the zealots believe they are protecting children from gays in adoption.

Very true. Adopted gays need to be protected from them. People of any non-mainstream way of life needs to protect ourselves from them. Every adoptee regardless of who they sleep with needs to be protected from them. They are theofascist criminals, abusers of themselves and of others, trying to get the government to take out their personal aggressions upon those whom they disapprove, all with "gay" tax dollars.

Gays with tons of money

We're basically in agreement on this, Anon, but sorry, I cannot let this fallacious statement slide.

While it might be disturbing to some, there are Gays with a ton of money and fame - they long to have a child and be a parent.

Name 5.

When that's done, name 10, if you can.

When that's done name 20. Feel free to use Google in this effort.

Then compare that to the countless rich heterosexuals using their outsized bank accounts and unearned social privilege and status to buy off children.

Apples, and John Deere Lawnmowers.

many openly Gay couples want to adopt but not allowed

Forgot to mention actress Cynthia Nixon (from Sex in the City) Cynthia and her partner have adopted.

Cynthia is also the ambassador in Florida, with the ACLU to lift that state's ludicrous ban on Gay adoptions

Sex and the City’s Cynthia Nixon, Ros-Lehtinen, Rich and Brandenburg: End Florida’s gay adoption ban
Sex and the City star Cynthia Nixon will join U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, state Sen. Nan Rich and state Rep. Mary Brandenburg to help the ACLU of Florida launch its new campaign to end Florida’s gay adoption ban.

Florida is the only state with an outright ban against gays and lesbians adopting children. That law passed in 1978, the year after singer and Florida orange juice spokeswoman Anita Bryant led her campaign to repeal Dade County’s gay-rights ordinance.

Here’s the ACLU news release:

MIAMI BEACH, Fla. – The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida is proud to announce that Cynthia Nixon, Sex and the City star and LGBT rights advocate, will join us on Saturday, January 9, 2010 to kick off the ACLU’s three-year campaign to end Florida’s ban on adoption by gay and lesbian people.

The event, to be held poolside at South Beach’s luxurious Shore Club, will begin with a VIP reception at 7:30 p.m., followed by a press line, and the main event at 7:15 p.m. Further details on the press line will be available the first week of January. Details and tickets are available at www.aclufl.org/adoption

WHAT: ACLU Adoption Campaign Kick-Off

WHEN: Saturday, Jan. 9, 2010

WHERE: Shore Club, 1901 Collins Ave., Miami Beach

WHO: Cynthia Nixon; U.S. Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen; Florida Senator Nan Rich; Florida Representative Mary Brandenburg; Howard Simon, ACLU of Florida Executive Director; Robert Rosenwald, ACLU-FL LGBT Advocacy Project Director; Martin Gill, ACLU plaintiff, father of two foster children for five years

Florida's Adoption Ban is the only law in the country that categorically prohibits gay men and lesbians from adopting children. This discriminatory law hurts thousands of children who are languishing in Florida's foster care system by denying them a permanent home.

The ACLU of Florida’s LGBT Advocacy Project and national ACLU LGBT Project sued the state on behalf of a North Miami man and two brothers who he had been fostering at the state’s request for four years – the only stable home the children have ever known. In a landmark November 2008 decision, a Miami judge ruled that the two boys, now ages five and nine, can remain with the adoptive father, who is gay. The State appealed to the Third District Court of Appeals, where the case has been argued. We are currently awaiting the court’s opinion.

In July 2009, The Tides Foundation’s State Equality Fund awarded a $240,000 grant to the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Florida’s Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender (LGBT) Advocacy Project to fund a three-year public education and outreach campaign.

In addition, the John C. Graves Charitable Fund of the Community Foundation of Broward has provided a quarter of a million dollars to support the ACLU of Florida’s LGBT rights work since 2005, including the initial grant that seeded the LGBT Advocacy Project. Other significant support has come from The GLBT Community Projects Fund at Dade Community Foundation, and the Scott Opler Foundation. The ACLU’s Campaign to End Florida’s Adoption Ban is designed to support the ACLU’s lawsuit challenging the adoption ban by educating Floridians about the adoption ban and the negative impact it has on Florida’s children and families.

The statewide trainings will coach people on how to talk about the adoption ban with friends, family, colleagues, and small groups of people. The trainings are conducted by the ACLU of Florida, GLAAD, and Family Equality Council and will be offered in cities throughout Florida over the next three years. The January 9, 2010 event will kick off this very important campaign and bring visibility to the issue. More information on the trainings can be found at www.aclufl.org/training.

About the ACLU of Florida’s LGBT Advocacy Project

The ACLU of Florida is freedom's watchdog, working daily in the courts, legislatures and communities to defend individual rights and personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. For additional information, visit our web site at: www.aclufl.org.

The ACLU of Florida’s LGBT Advocacy Project has worked since 2005 to protect the legal rights of Florida’s LGBT community and is the leading organization protecting gay kids from discrimination and harassment. For additional information, visit our web site at: www.aclufl.org/lgbt

FL adoption law

Yeah, the FL law is total b.s., as well as unconstitutional.

But LGBT of any economic status, race/ethnicity/national origin/etc. are still very easy social targets, especially to get out the bigot "family rape their kids values" vote to the polls.

How many out gay PAPs (were it legal) in FL? Stats?

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Rights (and wrongs) of individuals

Now we're bringing the ACLU in this? Give me a break!

Adoption is not a right, so let's get that out of the way. In fact, it's foolish to think parenting is a right, too. Parenting is a gift... a privledge..., and unfortunately, far too many in this world are willing to give their living gifts away to people who may not take care of them properly. (But this is another topic altogether, isn't it?)

Let's forget the celebrities and adoption, because we all know money can buy a child, but it can't necessarily buy happiness. Let's forget what makes homosexuality and heterosexuality different. Instead, let's focus (for a few minutes, at least) on how different sexual orientations can be viewed as the same. Let's discuss how how self-serving actions can hurt a great many people, and let's define what needs to be changed in Adoptionland so children are not being purchased by immature individuals in need of a good loving relationship.... one that accepts that person "as is."

To begin, it's my belief too many confuse "having a baby" with "having a loving family". Those of us who had a baby for all the wrong reasons know, one does not preclude the other.  (Having a baby does not make the world perfect or on-going family problems go away.)  In addition, I find far too many people in America keep pushing the idea that the only real measure of real success can be seen if one gets married, buys a house with four bedrooms and has 2.2 children. I experienced it myself when I was in my early 20's -- in many circles, if a female is not toting a diamond ring on her left hand by the time she is 28, there must be something wrong with her. If you're 35 and not toting a child one one hip and lugging a diaper bag on an opposite shoulder, there's something wrong with you. The push and pressure to have babies (to become parents) is making a lot of people nuts, forcing them to do just about anything to get what everyone else seems to have.... happiness within the family setting.

So how does the adoption industry fit into all of this?

Most people want to believe adoption is a humanitarian gesture... the one and only act that provides a loving home and caring family to a child who otherwise would have to go without. But the truth is, in many cases, adoption is a business and for many, adoption is seen as a solution to costly fertility treatments. Hetero or homosexual alike, people who are tired of failed IVF attempts are looking at adoption agencies, as the holy grail to parenthood. The fact that adoption agencies are adding surrogacy programs to their list of "services" proves infants are what's in demand, not older children.

So let's put an end to the distracting debate that homosexuality is/is not reason enough not to deny parenthood, through adoption. As far as I'm concerned, the only sexual orientation that should be banned from adoption and future family-planning is the pedophile... the person who prefers to have sexual relations with children.

People need to remember, because there are so many people willing (and able) to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a baby, (and all the associated products that go with "childhood"), all sorts of questionable practices have been developed to appease the purchasing consumer. We have fertility doctors implanting 8 fertilized eggs and one uterus; we have fertility doctors impregnating 60 year old women, and we continue to have adoption recruiters convincing young single moms the most "loving" thing they can do is hand-over their baby to an older (more financially stable) couple. All this is being done to satiate the buying customers... the ones who are for whatever reason, desperate to have a loving family of their own.

Meanwhile, we have older children literally dying in a corrupt and negligent child welfare system. Why? Because more people want babies... not older children.

Many want to complain how the rich are able to do and buy whatever it is they want, but few want to discuss how the push to have a baby is putting little lives at risk. Yes.... IVF and adoption increase dangerous risk-factors that hurt and harm (even kill) innocent people.  [Are people reading what's being done to mothers so an infant can be had?]

What triggered many people about the J&J heiress case is simple:  someone with wealth was able to obtain an infant, with little care given as to what home-life was going to be like for that "lucky" adopted child. 

When looking at adoption reform, we need to look at those advocating shorter waits (like that of a gestation) and those writing letters to congress, begging foreign adoptions to continue, in spite of reports of corruption and child trafficking.   Rushing an already corrupt system cannot be good for anyone, especially if few are thinking about the ways in which illegal adoptions, or half-baked home-studies affect an adoptee's future. In addition, we must also look at how the push to adopt infants is forcing older children, touched by welfare services, to stay in very poor care, longer.

Short and simple, those who focus only on speedy infant adoption are doing nothing to help the children who need the most attention right now -- those children caught in a child welfare system that consistently fails. If you ask me, that's a shame that belongs to many.

Adoption is not a right, but equal treatment is

Bans on people's behavior due solely to not being heterosexual i.e. naturally superior, are unconstitutional and violate due process and equal protection. Not that that's stopped states, as well as the US Supreme Court, from passing all manner of unconstitutional laws against all manner of minorities, but those are the facts.

That is how the ACLU gets involved with stuff like this, not because adoption is a right.

BTW, pedophilia is not an orientation, it's a mental defect. Pedophiles have sex with biological children as well as other people's; the answer to that is boys will be boys.

Gay person wants to adopt, oh stop the presses what about the children? [rolls eyes].

In addition, I find far too many people in America keep pushing the idea that the only real measure of real success can be seen if one gets married, buys a house with four bedrooms and has 2.2 children. I experienced it myself when I was in my early 20's -- in many circles, if a female is not toting a diamond ring on her left hand by the time she is 28, there must be something wrong with her. If you're 35 and not toting a child one one hip and lugging a diaper bag on an opposite shoulder, there's something wrong with you. The push and pressure to have babies (to become parents) is making a lot of people nuts, forcing them to do just about anything to get what everyone else seems to have.... happiness within the family setting.

Those are all issues imposed by compulsory heterosexuality in a society that is supposed to be so much more free than most.

It's also the basis of totally made up class-based resentments against the mythical "rich gays", living our irresponsible peter pan lives partying around San Francisco in our SUVs and convertible Mini Coopers, instead of loading ourselves down with children and succumbing to all that miserable as keep-up-with-the-joneses crap.
 
In that regard I'm quite relieved to have something wrong with me and not have to be bothered with those kinds of pressures.

Discussing homosexuality in the Casey Johnson case is not a distraction; it's front and center to the story along with her actual problems like poor-litle-rich-girl syndrome, unchecked diabetes, etc. Her being a woman in same-sex relationships is indeed a part of what makes her unfit according to the exact same conventional wisdom that says if you're not pushing baby strollers by age 24 you're not a REAL woman. We've seen that idea floating around in this very thread, which is why I keep talking about it.

Regardless of what is said on PPL, where I understand there are people here who still cling to the Victorian/Puritanical idea that gay marriage and gay adoption is "against nature" her homosexuality, even in death, still makes her less of a human being in the eyes of most. So afa this thread goes, I find it quite relevant.

Human rights vs. Adoption rights. Money buys the right to adopt

"Victorian/Puritanical idea that gay marriage and gay adoption is "against nature" her homosexuality, even in death, still makes her less of a human being in the eyes of most. So afa this thread goes, I find it quite relevant.

Marion, I think you will find no such prejudices here on PPL. Most of these threads are OK with human rights and a same-sex couple being treated with the same amount of dignity and respect as afforded to a hetero couple.

Casey Johnson, Lesbianism or not was not suited to adopt. If Casey had been declined the adoption based on her past mental unstability and issues of diabetic /erratic behavior it would have been suitable. However, she hid or repressed most of her behaviors that escalated out of control and effected the life of baby Ava. The fact that she struggled with homosexual relationships and had several short term ones that ended up with fights, charges of assault that IS A PROBLEM. Casey being a homosexual is not a problem but her STRUGGLE with it was- she was not able to parent Ava the way the child deserved because her issues and behavior overshadowed her rational thought.

There are many same - sex couples that are very acceptable to their sexuality and have no inner demons or battles over this. They have been in the same relationship for years - some longer than most married heterosexuals.

Casey Johnson, should NEVER have been allowed to adopt- END OF STORY

PS. Many Americans don't buy all those labels of women married by the age of 24 with a baby stroller. People like Casey Johnson don't get equal treatment, their money affords them special treatment that a sane - loving poor same-sex couple doesn't get.

BTW, FYI

In response to the comment, "BTW, pedophilia is not an orientation, it's a mental defect."

In many countries, homosexuality was viewed as a mental illness, too.

http://www.planetsappho.com/lesbian-writing/a-perception-of-homosexualit...
"Difficult though it is to believe, it is a documented fact that the British Government did not remove homosexuality from its International Classification of Disease list (the list used by, amongst other things, the Mental Health Services in Britain to determine mental illnesses) until 1994. In other words, until just 12 years ago, the British Government’s official stance on homosexuality was that it was a mental disorder which might have a cure. Unusually, this was a good 20 years behind the USA, a country which has historically been way behind the UK as far as equality for homosexuals is concerned. In actual fact, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental illness in 1973 – very late by most people’s standards, but not when compared to the UK."

I don't think I need to add that in spite of this declassification, homosexuals continue to be demonized by certain hate-groups.

Tell me about it...

In many countries, homosexuality was viewed as a mental illness, too.

Still is among social conservatives, who still believe there is a "cure", and believe these declassifications to be "PC".

(With themselves, of course, being the only ones qualified to administer the "cure", which really just entails heaping massive violence on people whose existence disrupts their little utopias of repression.)

Those are the nice ones, who think public stoning might, hm, be taking things a bit too far.

Risks of IVF, baby-making, etc.

Many want to complain how the rich are able to do and buy whatever it is they want, but few want to discuss how the push to have a baby is putting little lives at risk. Yes.... IVF and adoption increase dangerous risk-factors that hurt and harm (even kill) innocent people.  [Are people reading what's being done to mothers so an infant can be had?]

Eh, too many people don't care what happens to mothers or women's bodies anyway (except those of us labeled feminazis for even broaching the topic.) The same don't give a rip to what happens after baby is born, since it's no longer "innocent" and is in need of salvation from sin. That's the christian version, anyway, which many of us adoptees were subject to.

Just so long as straight women play the game of being a walking baby factory and heap guilt upon themselves when they can't be -- considered normal thinking in most circles I've seen -- that's all that matters. And yes it is by FAR a more hetero than homosexual issue, given one of the main complaints AGAINST same sex anything is, well! they can't reproduce!

There are DIRE social, economic, and legal costs of not playing into that mentality, as well as the constant threats against our physical integrity, depending on how one's sexuality is perceived. but we do it every day, and thrive.

I really must continue to wonder where people are getting their information on same sex adoption and same sex IVF, and all these "gays" expanding the market for the adoption industry, etc. Because from where I sit it's not squaring up with reality, only with people's uninformed fantasies about The Gays.

Marion, you take this IVF home vs. hetero too seriously

Marion, I never in my posts attempted or suggested that IVF was wrong for same sex couples (rich or not)- merely trying to point out that sometimes in this prejudicial world, this is their only way of having their dreams of becoming parents a reality.
Many of us would like to see same sex couples accepted as possible parents in the US foster care. Why not? It's not like us hetero couples have done such a great job with taking care of our children, plenty of us are miserable parents. For that matter, we haven't done such a great job with making marriages last either. I know of several same-sex couples who have been together for over 15-20 years!.
I am not sure why you get so worked up over this, I have never read any posts on here against same-sex couples adopting. Outside of this forum - yes heard many hateful, bible verse spewing people denounce same-sex couples as unsuitable for adoption or legalized marriage.
Many same sex couples (famous or not) have had to go the IVF route because of the adoption agency pressure and state laws forbiddening them the same rights as a hetereo for adopting. Surrogacy is growing by leaps and bounds as Adoption waits become longer and longer growing more uncertain.
Things are changing, slowly states are starting to embrace the notion and fact that same-sex couples can and do provide a loving balanced environment for children. I have never seen statistics to show that homosexuals are more capable of child abuse than hetereosexuals.
You are preaching to the choir, lets not hold on to every word someone posts on here and examine it. No one is perfect. It is a hot button for you and you have your reasons. just to clarify!!!

Serious topic, not preaching, simply stating my piece

I am not sure why you get so worked up over this, I have never read any posts on here against same-sex couples adopting.

Start with  the 1st post in this one. Link doesn't seem to work, try this: http://poundpuplegacy.org/node/23791

This is a huge site to be sure, with many posts, but this was on the front page of I believe "Popular Content" a couple days ago. The sentiments in the thread disappointed, but they did not surprise. If I'm worked up, if it can even be called that, it's because I am sick of bastard treatment against gays since I live it every day, so obviously, yes, by default, it is a hot button issue for me. There are plenty of worked up people on PPL about all manner of things, so what.

It gets very tiring when christian sharia nutjobs shove these issues onto ballots to get their mouthbreather contingent to the polls, and then when we protest, we're shoving it down people's throats, recruiting, proof of the downfall of America and the entire western civilization, etc. Not even 5 years ago, "gay marriage" was barely an issue in The Gay Community™. But defend oneself against bigotry and ohhh you're so....angry..... one need not be an adoptee or foster or worked-up minority to recognize this behavior for what it is.

Just yesterday, the SCOTUS stepped in to block broadcasting of the Prop Hate trial, so yes, by default, same-sex marriage and the inevitable "adoption"/care industry b.s. that comes along with it are hot button issues for me, because they affect me DIRECTLY. They are not things I read about in a book, or abstract, lofty concepts. As a native Californian, these are things that directly affect my future in this state, but the SCOTUS, I suppose, feels the need to protect the public from uh, public procedings which affect...the public. Classy logic, there.

Re: IVF, the IVF post was in fact an agreement with Kerry. My earlier posts in this thread on Johnson's poor-little-rich-girl act ought to indicate I understand that the main issue was that she had the money to adopt. Why shouldn't I object to the idea that her being "lesbian"/"struggling with sexuality" etc was part of her "problems", or keep silent when misconceptions about gays, such as we might inflate the adoption racket with all our cash, are being posted as facts?

As for what you've said, since you post as Anonymous (unverified), I can't be sure whether it's you, or someone else chiming in, so there was no preaching going on.

One thing is certain: as long as legalized discrimination against minorities continues, yes, I will continue to be worked up, or oversensitive, or whatever people want to call it.

Is PPL for Children's rights or Gay rights?

Marion, I appreciate your views and how you percieve being Gay has been misunderstood by the majority of Americans. I think we are getting off track here about the abuses of children in foster care or the abduction and human trafficking associated with international adoption.
If we continue to get off point with our goal to make these systems more supportive of the child and put our own soapbox to the side it would be more productive for the children.
Myself, I have strong issues toward the adoption agencies in this country that have made millions off of unethical business practices. They lie, cheat and steal all in the name of "we are saving orphans" personally I am glad that international adoption is on a decline maybe now Americans will start paying attention to the needs of the homeless and helpless children in the USA.
Gay rights is another issue for another forum. I hope that one day people in our country can see that same-sex couples can be just as good parents as many heterosexual couples.
Lets use our energy to make it right for the children.

Chilrens rights + gay rights = human rights

I think we are getting off track here about the abuses of children in foster care or the abduction and human trafficking associated with international adoption.

I don't, because some of those children in the care cartel turn out to be, er, gay. Being one of them, I know.

It's not off-track in the least, seeing as someone else, possibly you, broached the topic of "Gay", not me. But again, the bastard treatment applied to the queers: speak up about gays being maligned when you didn't even bring up "Gay", and you're the one off topic

"Gay" is indeed an issue for THIS forum because gay adoptees are subject to heaps of abuse due to being both queer and adopted. Unequal treatment of gays and abuse of gay adoptees/fostered/IC'd is not some "perception", it's a lived fact. The two are not mutually exclusive, both affect me simultaneously, and I'm not going to stop talking about it simply because it makes some people uncomfortable.

I'm also not going to segregate myself to Adult Aftermath to talk about it, just to spare a few sensitivities.

There are a lot of things on PPL that make people feel uncomfortable. So, no dice. Soapbox stays.

make it right for the children.

Oh christ, seriously, I could live happily without EVER having to hear that phrase again...

LOL "a good many"....

a good many pay people to carry a child for them; also was some suspect that Rosie herself had done this with her first few adoptions...

Source?

There is no reason -- outside of homo-hating, straights-are-superiors attitudes -- to single out the few celebrity gay couples who are even able to adopt/foster, be it from a mill or otherwise. Especially when promoting hearsay as fact.

Plenty of gays already have biological children they raise with their partners. Yeah, people are against that too, oh well, they will have to learn to get over it.

Buying children is wrong, across the board. I don't care what body parts the couple has and whether they are sufficiently opposite for the anti-gay-marriage/anti-gay-adoption crowd; that's irrelevant.

Casey's first Adoption attempt didn't go through (Cambodia)

Yet more information on the battling Johnson Family Tree!
Casey Johnson: A Look At Her Family Tree
The Johnson & Johnson heiress was born into a spectacularly wealthy and complicated family.
By Eric Ditzian

Casey Johnson was born into a family of spectacular wealth, sordid squabbles and tragic incidents. The death of the 30-year-old Johnson & Johnson heiress is the latest tragedy to befall the family.

Casey's great-great-grandfather Robert Wood Johnson founded the pharmaceutical company, along with his two brothers, in the late 1880s. The company passed from family member to family member until Robert Wood Johnson II — who was known by the intimidating nickname "The General" — took over and turned the business into a multibillion-dollar international conglomerate. The General's son, Robert Wood Johnson III, had five children — one who died of a cocaine overdose and one who died in a motorcycle accident, both in 1975 — and was eventually forced out of the company in the mid-1960s after a falling-out with his father. One of Johnson III's children is Robert Wood Johnson IV, Casey's father.

Woody, as he is known, is a philanthropist and political fundraiser who purchased the New York Jets in 2000 for $635 million. In the late '70s, he married and had three daughters, Casey, Jamie and Daisy. Wood and his wife, Sale Johnson, eventually divorced. In 2007, she remarried sportscaster and former Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Ahmad Rashad.

Longtime friends with socialites like Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie, Casey actually turned down a role on "The Simple Life." In 2003, Casey began a very public feud with her aunt, Elizabeth (Libet) Ross Johnson, who is Woody's only sister. A prominent New York socialite who founded an orphanage in Cambodia, Libet married five times before the age of 40, once briefly to the singer Michael Bolton. In a nasty case of she said/ she said, Casey and Libet battled it out in The New York Post's Page Six as the younger Johnson accused her aunt of stealing her boyfriend, John Dee. Dee had once been married to the actress Lara Flynn Boyle. Before their spat, Casey and Libet had been close, traveling to Cambodia, where Casey wanted to adopt an orphan.

Remembering Casey Johnson

That adoption never went through, but Casey did eventually adopt a daughter from Kazakhstan in 2007 whom she named Ava-Monroe. Nicky Hilton has been said to be the child's godmother. But because of Casey's erratic behavior — including rumors of drug and alcohol abuse — Sale Johnson has been raising the child.

Casey's uncle is Jamie Johnson, the young filmmaker whose documentary, "Born Rich," appeared on HBO in 2003, inflaming his high-society friends with its seemingly unflattering portrait of their wealth and privilege. Jamie's side of the family has seen its fair share of tawdry happenings as well.

His grandfather, John Seward Johnson I, was the General's brother. According to an article in Vanity Fair, Seward "was coddled and abused by his mother and seemed to suffer from severe dyslexia. Of Seward it was once said, 'He liked women, sailing, farming and the breeding of cows, in that order.' "

In the early '70s, for his third marriage, Seward wed his Polish cook. More than a decade later, Seward is said to have redone his will with his wife's help while on his deathbed, leaving her the entirety of his fortune and cutting out his children. His children filed a suit and a three-year-long, ludicrously expensive trial ensued. The children, including Jamie's father James "Jimmy" Loring Johnson, eventually recouped some of their lost inheritance.

from mtv.com

Why was Casey Johnson allowed to Adopt?

From www.parentdish.com
Opinion: Why Was Casey Johnson Allowed to Adopt?
by Amy Hatch (Subscribe to Amy Hatch's posts) Jan 8th 2010 2:27PM

Categories: Adoption, Celeb Kids, Celeb Parenting, Behaving Badly, In The News, Extreme Childhood, Opinions

The recent death of Johnson & Johnson heiress Casey Johnson is a classic American tragedy: Poor little rich girl, living fast and dying young. However, what is even more distressing is the fact that she leaves behind a 3-year-old daughter, Ava-Monroe, adopted from Kazakhstan in 2007.

Johnson, 30, was found dead in her Los Angeles home Jan. 4, according to The New York Times. The daughter of New York Jets owner Woody Johnson, Casey was also the great-great-granddaughter of the co-founder of Johnson & Johnson, the health products manufacturer.

The socialite moved in star-studded circles and counted among her best friends Paris and Nicky Hilton. Her lifestyle was far from stable, as revealed by the fact that her mother, Sale, felt it necessary to take custody of Ava, The Huffington Post reports. Just last month, Johnson and her girlfriend, reality TV star Tila Tequila, flew from Los Angeles to New York City in an attempt to regain custody of the child -- and came home empty-handed.

All of this leaves us wondering -- just why was it so easy for such a troubled young woman to adopt a child? We've become so used to celebrities swooping into foreign countries and coming home with a brood of children, that we don't even blink when we read about another kid being added to the Jolie-Pitt clan.

But Johnson's case is different: How is it possible that her wealth and family name outweighed the obvious facts of her life? Reports of her lifestyle offer ample evidence that she was a less-than-ideal adoptive parent. According to one particularly damning story in the New York Daily News, a family friend said Sale Johnson helped her daughter recover from a couple of diabetic comas; Johnson was diagnosed with juvenile diabetes as a child and according to a friend, her "body couldn't metabolize the drugs and alcohol she was using." The Daily News also reports that Johnson has been in and out of rehab for drug problems.

A medical form required by the government of Kazakhstan, lists several diseases that prohibit prospective parents from adopting a child from the country, including alcoholism, drug addiction and toxicomania.

These characteristics of Johnson's life would have presented significant road blocks for an ordinary single woman looking to adopt a child.

And Johnson's problems went beyond her health: Although her troubles seem to have escalated since pairing up with Tequila ( the Los Angeles Police Department has issued search warrants against both women on Dec. 11, in regard to Johnson's arrest for grand theft stemming from allegations that the heiress stole clothing and jewelry from her ex-girlfriend, model Jasmine Lennard, according to TMZ), the hard-partying heiress's antics had made her a fixture in NYC gossip columns for most of the last decade.

We aren't the only ones who question the wisdom of giving Johnson custody of a child. "Casey was probably the last person who should have been taking care of a baby," a family friend tells the News. And Eonline reports that Child Protective Services paid Johnson at least two visits.

Ava's adoption gets even more murky when delving into Johnson's family. Her aunt, Libet Johnson, founded a Cambodian orphanage from which Johnson originally planned to adopt a child. Johnson's adoption request was denied, according to a scandalous story in New York magazine. While the Daily News reports that many believe Johnson's application was denied due to newer, stricter adoption laws, New York magazine hints that it may have had more to do with a feud between Libet and Casey Johnson -- the younger woman accused her aunt of stealing her then-boyfriend, John Dee, just prior to losing that child.

The coda to that story? Libet Johnson adopted a child from that same orphanage, and is now engaged in a strange custody battle with that child's adopted father.

Granted, Casey Johnson sounds remarkably poised and well-balanced in a 2007 Life/Style Television interview, where she discusses Ava's then-upcoming adoption.

"I can say it was probably the best day of my life, to see her photos," Johnson says, referring to the day the adoption agency informed her that Ava would be hers. "I mean, I was hysterically crying, you know, out of joy."

She goes on to say that she won't raise Ava the way she was raised, and would never spoil her to the point of irresponsibility. Clearly, Johnson was unable to escape that fate herself.

Somewhere in the three years between that interview and her death, something went terribly wrong. What is less obvious is how any responsible adoption agency didn't see it coming. Perhaps it's time for the United States to demand uniformity across the board when it comes to international adoptions, regardless of your last name, social status and wealth.

As for Ava, for now she is with her grandmother, Sale, and Sale's husband, former NFL player and sports broadcaster Ahmad Rashad, according to a family spokesman. We hope she remains there, but Casey's torrid past certainly suggests a bizarre custody battle of some sort could be in the little girl's future.

Related: Casey Johnson Dead at 30. Tila Tequila Tweets During Loss of Her Heiress Fiancee

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Casey's Aunt Elizabeth in the news with her adoption woes.

NY court overturns adoption by J&J heiress

ALBANY, N.Y. — A four-year adoption fight between jet-setting Manhattanites over an ailing and abandoned orphan from Cambodia is ending, at least for now, with the boy able to see the only father he's known.

New York's top court on Tuesday overturned the adoption by Johnson & Johnson heiress Elizabeth "Libet" Johnson, closing a case that wended through international law and involved what the adoptive father's lawyer called a "stealth adoption" by Johnson.

One of Manhattan's richest women, Johnson has been fighting over the adoption of the 7-year-old with her former lover, Dr. Lionel Bissoon, the one-time weight-loss guru to the rich of Manhattan, West Palm Beach and Beverly Hills.

"It means they will be able to have the father-and-son relationship they had since he was just a few months old and not have it cut off," said Bissoon's attorney, Bonnie E. Rabin. "The irony is that this child was orphaned and they tried to take away the only father he ever had ... this child loves his father."

The child continues to live with Johnson in her multimillion dollar Manhattan apartment, although the decision gives Bissoon legal standing he sought to see the child he helped rescue.

Richard A. Greenberg, Johnson's lawyer, said after Tuesday's ruling that he has several options, including taking the international case to the U.S. Supreme Court. There, he said he could argue the federal question of whether New York had to respect the Cambodian government's decisions regarding one of its orphans.

The court referred to the privileged upbringing Johnson, a mother of four, is able to provide. She's a jet-setter who once reportedly dated bold-faced bachelors including actor Michael Nouri and singer Michael Bolton, while living in her $62 million triplex in the Trump Tower overlooking Central Park, according to a 2008 story in "New York" magazine. It quoted Johnson as seeing herself as another poor little rich girl like Paris Hilton.

But Johnson found her life's work in establishing the Golden Child orphanage in Cambodia to care for the huge number of abandoned children in the impoverished country.

The saga began in January 2003, when the child, then 2 months old with a heart ailment, was found abandoned in a village market. Johnson already had become a leader in providing Cambodian orphans new lives in the United States, and she and Bissoon brought the infant to Manhattan on a temporary visa for medical care.

The couple had hoped to adopt and raise the child together. But the United States had a moratorium on Cambodian adoptions to combat illegal trafficking. Bissoon, however, then claimed dual citizenship in Trinidad and Tobago, which had no moratorium.

Trinidad approved the request, but Bissoon found out too late that the country doesn't allow unmarried men to adopt.

At about this time, in August 2004, the romance was strained as they again sought to adopt the child through Cambodia's government. In December 2005, more fighting over differing approaches to raising the child ended the relationship.

A month later, Johnson sought a New York adoption for the boy, but didn't tell Bissoon. Johnson later acknowledged errors in her petition, first by erroneously calling it a "re-adoption" and then failing to disclose a recent stay in an alcohol treatment facility, according to court records.

Unopposed, the New York adoption was granted.

Then, eight months later, Bissoon found out about it.

A surrogate court, and later an appellate division panel, agreed to vacate the New York adoption, based in part on expert testimony regarding Cambodian laws. On Tuesday, New York's highest court agreed.

"We are satisfied that, under Cambodian law, (Bissoon) validly adopted (the boy) in June 2004," the state Court of Appeals stated in its 7-0 decision. Because of international law in which countries respect the acts of other countries, Bissoon also was recognized as the father under New York law.

Johnson argued that granting her the adoption is in the best interest of the child, who has lived with her almost all his life and who the court noted "no doubt thinks is his mother."

"The best interests of a child, important though they are, do not automatically validate an otherwise illegal adoption," wrote Judge Robert Smith. "The parental rights of a child's father cannot simply be ignored because a court thinks it would be in the child's best interest to be adopted by someone else."

Bissoon, who sought to force Johnson to accept that he's the child's adoptive father, doesn't plan to take him away from Johnson. The court, however, didn't have to decide how extensive Bissoon's rights may be if he were to try.

"That question," Smith wrote, "is academic, and we hope it will remain so."

Ava Johnson, Casey Johnson's ICA kid whose mother is now DEAD

Anybody seen any followup on what's going on with Ava Johnson?

Sale Johnson is (BLACK) Ahmad Rashad's wife.

Ava Johnson, Kahakh former adoptee with a dead amother, now placed in an interracial Black/white household in a white-supremacist/white-preference country....anybody know what's going on with little Ava right now?

interracial black/white household

Marion
I am surprised you would bring up the fact that Sale is married to Ahmad Rashad and that Ava is in a interracial household. Really what difference does it make as long as they give her a loving environment? What is your point? With all of your ranting about same - sex couple rights, why would this make a difference to you?
Not like this was an adoption, it was a removal because of the conditions that poor Ava was living in. Do you think Ava should have stayed in that rat-infested house? Or that Sale turn Ava over to Casey when she and Tia Tequila traveled to NY last month to bring Ava back to west coast?
Look at all the thousands of Ethiopian, Ghana and Haitian babies and children being adopted by all white families.

Frankly, she is one lucky kid - goes from a Kazakhi orphanage to the heiress of JnJ fortune?
Not Bad!

Pls read for comprehension, Anonymous

What is your point? With all of your ranting about same - sex couple rights, why would this make a difference to you?

Meow!

You didn't read for comprehension, and decided to have a knee-jerk response, instead.

The quote was:

now placed in an interracial Black/white household in a white-supremacist/white-preference country

Yes, it is a concern, just as it is for nonwhite kids adopted and/or bought by all white families. My own story was difficult enough but I would hate to be Bridget McCain. And BTW, yes, I will continue to rant about the way minorities are treated so long as we are treated like crap for being nonwhite, nonstraight, nonchristian, nonmale, etc. I can't really help it if you have issues with that.

Frankly, she is one lucky kid

Where is the "rolls eyes" smilie on this board?

And back to the orig question - anybody have any word on how she's doing

Ava and other adoptive children

Marion;
Bridget McCain was never offically adopted from Bangledesh until many years after Cindy McCain put Bridget on a private plane bound for America thereby bypassing all the red tape, homestudy, INS approvals etc., as a child in need because of a severe cleft palate.

Your posts of tearing someone else's words apart is getting old, I for one don't have the time and energy to copy and paste every erronous word that you post.

We all know there is no fairness for average people wanting to adopt and that the rich, white elite have first choice no matter how screwed up their family dynamics are. This is nothing new. Look at all the Korean, Asian children adopted over 10-15 years ago to homes in whitebread midwest. Their stories of going to school and looking at their classmates and feeling so different and alien is painful even today to read.

You can keep ranting about "minorities" or how others are treated but the problem being this has gone on for decades in the USA in the World, we have and continue to have a class society.
My main concern is for the children, and until we can get our laws tightened --the Jolies, Madonnas, Johnsons, etc., of the world (rich, white and screwed up) will CONTINUE to adopt who they want and where they want.

Ava is now an American, I thank God she was taken out of Casey's home - I am not saying that Sale and Ahmad will be the BEST Choice for her, but it is a far cry better than had she stayed in Casey's care (or lack of care)

There are many more potential Avas that we have to get this adoption laws and criteria better for.
However, I could think of much worse places to be than the future heiress to the JnJ fortune.

Oh please

You can keep ranting about "minorities" or how others are treated but the problem being this has gone on for decades in the USA in the World, we have and continue to have a class society.

Really! Tell me about it.

Say, Anonymous (not verified), I'll reiterate it for you: these "problems being" affect adoptees, regardless of your personal concerns about rich adoptors. It may be yours, but rich/celeb adoption is one of MANY issues regarding adoption, all that pesky, superflous "stuff" like how we're treated either in the care system or after it, class, etc is directly connected. This is so obvious, no one should even have to make the statement.

So as I will continue to tell every other Anonymous (not verified), unhappy by my so-called rants, you don't have to like the content of my posts, particularly the parts where I talk about bastard treatment of entire groups of people. But said posts are not going to change according to your comfort level.

I haven't posted any erroneous words. I prefer facts, even if they are distasteful or even unpalatable for some. I'm certain many feel that way about the entire PPL site. But that's the way the ball bounces.

There are many more potential Avas that we have to get this adoption laws and criteria better for.

That, there are.

Adoption laws, especially ICA, placement, child buying, IVF do not change in a vacuum. Neither does any civil rights, civil liberties, human rights, class etc issues that have gone on for decades in the USA and in the world. There are societal elements that create and maintain the system we have in the first place. So be sure to look for more rants about those things. You are not in control of what I write.

Not in control of your rants-Beliefs hard to change!

Marion;
No one said I was in "control" there again you get off topic.
You really need to take your rants to the minority rights, classless society boards. PPL is about the abuse of children in the adoption, and foster care systems and how we can all stop this abuse.
while some of these abuses might stem from class, rights, etc., the core of the problem must be changed with LAWS and REGULATIONS to stop these people. The supply and demand was created by the almighty dollar, these abuses continue because adoption agencies are making money with little regulation or enforcement.
changing attitudes and prejudices is another battle in itself. beliefs don't change overnight - but a stiffer law and regulation will change the amount of abuses.
Even with Hague in place we are seeing less and less of these so-called adoptions where RWP (Rich White Parents) are able to receive a referral of a 1-2 month old from Ethiopia - while the older orphan children rot in the street. We all know the babies are pre-sold, how about a law -regulation that babies under 12 months can no longer be referred in International Adoption? Or another couple that received a "referral" 3 days after they submitted their dossier to Ethopia.
What about predjudices toward the older harder to place child? Why don't you rant about that? Beliefs are slow to change.

Classless society LOL!

You really need to take your rants to the minority rights, classless society boards.

Ok well, I've already made it clear I'm not going to be doing that, Anonymous (not verified). That is what I meant about control -- no, you are not in control of where I take my posts, and you are not in control of the content of my posts at PPL. Sounds harsh, but sorry, you're just going to have to find a way to reconcile it, because you will NEVER be in control of that.

(I've also not said anything about any "classless society", so that's a bogus, made-up straw man. Nice try, though.)

Nor is it my intention to change anyone's "beliefs", it's a free country, people are free to believe whatever illogical idiocy they please. They are NOT free to act it out on us, and they are NOT free to target already-vulnerable people with more abuse because we/they happen to be socially inconvenient, according to the desirous whims of those evil "Rich White Parents" -- your term, not mine.

As re: malfeasance and horrors of the care cartel, just a couple examples:

Do you think it's an accident that the same people who stand to benefit from this racket are also anti-gay marriage, anti-same-sex/gender adoption, and are very aggressively changing LAWS AND REGULATIONS to enforce that?

Do you think it's a coincidence these organizations are also anti-gay people in general?

Do you think it's by mistake or by design that they are also viurlently forced-childbirth/anti-abortion, making a rather convenient pool of children to shove into this system?

Do you think it's a coincidence that baldfaced, uncloseted bigots like Judge Cheryl Allen who hold these views are trying to get onto the Supreme Court of PA, pushing this culture of life crap? Do you think she got where she did overnight?

What about predjudices toward the older harder to place child? Why don't you rant about that?

Stick around and keep reading, for what I have to say about that, given that would be off topic . In the meantime, how about: you post about what you want at PPL and I post about what I want at PPL.

I like that arrangement much better.

update on Ava Johnson 1/8/2010

sounds like she is in good hands, lets worry about all the future "Ava's" in foreign orphanages - fresh meat for future adoption by RWAS (Rich, White, American Supremacists)
January 8th, 2010
CASEY Johnson’s mother and sisters will raise her three-year-old daughter after the troubled star was found dead in her Los Angeles home on Monday, sources tell TMZ.
Johnson, heiress of the Johnson & Johnson health and beauty fortune, is survived by her adopted daughter, Ava, who has been in the custody of Johnson’s mother Sale.
The family is said to want Ava to remain with Sale and her husband Ahmad Rashad.
Sources close to the family said Casey’s sisters will also help. It is unclear when or if the Johnson family will file adoption papers.
After Johnson’s death her lesbian partner Tila Tequila – whose real name is Tila Nguyen – was interviewed by police Wednesday, particularly regarding online comments she made about Johnson’s abuse of prescription drugs, several news outlets reported.
Read more: http://www.gossone.com/top-stories/sale-johnson-to-raise-caseys-daughter...

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